Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) said: I know their names and the names of their forefathers and the color of their rides. They would be in this very state that they would hear of a calamity more horrible than this. What we learn from these narrations is that Yajuj and Majuj have similar features as Turkic people because they are from them. The barrier gets weaker over time as a result of these seismic shifts and tectonic plate movements; when the Gog and Magog are brought forth again, and re-appear at the same place, and once again try to breach the barrier, they can do what they were not able to do during the time of Dhu’l-Qarnayn: break through. ‘Until when Gog and Magog have been opened’ shows that their emergence is a sign of the Day of Judgment. It could simply be an addition and it is clearly a follow-up to the statement about the death of Ya’juj and Ma’juj since animals will also eat them, this is what the hadith seems to suggest. Both probabilities exist. klo thread ini cm bkin tkt doang tp bntr : We said: Who would be responsible for it? Rather, the promise is about the destruction of barrier only and it has been destroyed as promised. Let us discuss the Ahadith on Yajuj and Majuj below: لَيُحَجَّنَّ الْبَيْتُ وَلَيُعْتَمَرَنَّ بَعْدَ خُرُوجِ يَأْجُوجَ وَمَأْجُوجَ ‏”‏‏.‏ تَابَعَهُ أَبَانُ وَعِمْرَانُ عَنْ قَتَادَةَ‏.‏ وَقَالَ عَبْدُ الرَّحْمَنِ عَنْ شُعْبَةَ قَالَ ‏”‏ لاَ تَقُومُ السَّاعَةُ حَتَّى لاَ يُحَجَّ الْبَيْتُ ‏”, The Prophet (ﷺ) said: “The people will continue performing the Hajj and `Umra to the Ka`ba even after the appearance of Gog and Magog.” Narrated Shu`ba extra: The Hour (Day of Judgment) will not be established till the Hajj (to the Ka`ba) is abandoned.[7]. "Gog" and "Magog" appear together in the Book of Ezekiel, 38:2-3: 1. Il dit: «Ce que Mon Seigneur m’a conféré vaut mieux (que vos dons). These verses speak of the worldly sign of end times i.e. Currently I’m thinking of understanding ‘earth’ in 41:9 to refer to the origin of the earth (ie. The above narration may be considered problematic mathematically and one may need to explain it through reliance on the miracle that Yajuj and Majuj, when unleashed, would come out in such large numbers that they would be 999 times more than the believers. At first glance, it may appear to be a contradiction; however, if the gradual attack and attack in stages is considered, the assumed contradiction would eliminate. He placed a ray of light between the eyes of every person. Versets à propos de Dhu-l-Qarnayn et Gog et Magog dans la sourate 94 Al-Kahf (la caverne): 83. They will fight until night will intervene them; both the sides will return without being victorious and both will be wiped out. His explanations, translations and interpretations are so connected and harmonized that with the knowledge I possess with the grace of Allah (SWT) it is very hard to reject yet it gives a feeling of having the puzzle solved without having any problem with any ayah or hadith. Other Hadiths mention that the Romans would come under 80 flags with 12,000 people under each flag (i.e. Cold temperatures associated with high altitudes or snowy environments stops oxidation. Indeed, you say no enemy. Al-Qurtubi states regarding the Mongol attackers: It appears as if they are the Ya’juj Ma’juj – or, at least, are their forerunners. Muslims fought with one group of the Turkic people mentioned in the narrations i.e. Abu ‘Isa al-Tirmidhi says: Azhar ibn Marwan narrated to us from ‘Abd al-‘A’la from Sa’id from Qatadah, from Abu Rafi’ that Abu Hurayrah said: The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: “Gog and Magog dig the barrier every day until, when they can almost see the rays of the sun, the one in charge of them says: “Go back and we will dig it tomorrow.” Then Allah puts it back, stronger than it was before. Bien plus, nous étions des injustes versets 96/97 - Sourate les Prophètes. They will shoot their arrows towards the sky and they will come back with blood on them, and they will say: “We have defeated the people of earth and dominated the people of heaven.” Then Allah will send a worm in the napes of their necks and will kill them thereby. Site propulsé par ISLAMRAPPEL et conçu par ISLAMRAPPEL. 96. Before the Mahdi, the Romans would be oppressing the believers. Brother, overall you’ve done really good job at building a strong case at this point, namely that the barrier has already been destroyed. Change ), You are commenting using your Twitter account. However, this will remain subject to the condition that one admits that their last and the most massive onslaught, which will prove to be the destroyer of the entire human population, has not come yet. I just wanted to say with regards to your statement: “this Ayah and Hadith mention that when they emerge after the return of Isa (عليه السلام), they would come down from every hill.” But the ayah says that they will do this AFTER they are released, imo the ayah seems to again indicate immediate descent after their release. Ahadith, statements of Sahaba, Tafaseer, and even logic and common sense dictate that option 2 is the right option. Et quand il eut atteint un endroit situé entre les Deux Barrières (montagnes), il trouva derrière elles une peuplade qui ne comprenait presque aucun langage. So may we assign for you an expenditure that you might make between us and them a barrier?”[1]. [CDATA[ (function(i,s,o,g,r,a,m){i['GoogleAnalyticsObject']=r;i[r]=i[r]||function(){ (i[r].q=i[r].q||[]).push(arguments)},i[r].l=1*new Date();a=s.createElement(o), m=s.getElementsByTagName(o)[0];a.async=1;a.src=g;m.parentNode.insertBefore(a,m) })(window,document,'script','//www.google-analytics.com/analytics.js','ga'); ga('create', 'UA-48321588-1', 'auto'); ga('send', 'pageview'); // ]]> Votre adresse de messagerie ne sera pas publiée. He said: ‘Count that as the first. What we have learned is summarised as follows: [6] Tirmidhi vol. One quick question: Could you elaborate on your interpretation on Surah 21:97-98 and how you see the destruction of the city being a CONSEQUENCE of the release of Gog and Magog? 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You will then return and alight in a meadow with mounds and one of the Christians will raise the cross and say: The cross has conquered. https://alfinlandi.wordpress.com/2016/03/14/critique-of-kevin-van-bladels-the-alexander-legend-in-the-quran-1883-102/. Interestingly, our Prophet(s) prohibited the offensive Jihad against them together with the Abyssinians, a widely neglected hadith these days…. ‘Abd al-Aziz? close to a million people). Change ), You are commenting using your Facebook account. Al-Alusi, although denied the Mongol attack being the attack of Yajuj and Majuj, did admit that their attack did resemble the havoc to be caused by the Ya’juj Ma’juj. Oleh Namri Sidek pada 10 Jun 2019 kategori islamik. These narrations inform us that the Muslims would fight Yajuj and Majuj; however, other Ahadith discussed above inform us that Yajuj and Majuj would not be fought with (as they would be those whom none will be able to fight) and that they would be killed without a fight after the return of Eisa (عليه السلام). This paper states that it occurred partly in the past and their final and destructive attack will occur after the return of Eisa (عليه السلام). However there is no support for this in the Quran and Sunnah. He simply denied that the complete attack of Yajuj and Majuj had occurred, that it was a thing of the past. In conclusion, I think this issue is definitely something we should think about, I’ve seen a lot of Muslims confused over this matter over polemics from apostates like The Masked Arab and just general confusion as the classical opinion has always been that the wall will remain until their emergence. If such was the case then your proposal could be strengthened, However upon cursory reading of other ahadith on the issue, they all seem to more or less say the same things (Ya’juj and Ma’juj will emerge after ‘Isa (عليه السلام) kills the Dajjal, they will drink the water they come across near lake Tiberius, the Muslims will fortify themselves, Ya’juj and Ma’juj will cause havoc and kill people on earth and then shoot their weapons to the sky, then ‘Isa (عليه السلام) will make a du’a and Ya’juj and Ma’juj will be killed by worms, after which rain will come and wash their remains away, all of this is close to the Hour). In the morning the Muslims will not hear any sound from them, and they will say: ‘Who will sell his soul for the sake of Allah and see what they are doing?’ A man will go down, having prepared himself to be killed by them, and he will find them dead, so he will call out to them: ‘Be of good cheer, for your enemy is dead!’ Then the people will come out and let their flocks loose, but they will not have anything to graze on except their flesh, and they will become very fat as if they were grazing on the best vegetation they ever found.'”[11]. You made a good point regarding the statement of the Prophet (ﷺ) at the end of the narration, however this does not necessitate that Abu Hurayrah was narrating bits and pieces of what the Prophet (ﷺ) had said previously. Salam ‘Alaykum, [19] Al-Alusi did not deny the argument presented in this paper. Son of man, set thy face against Gog, of the land of Magog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him, … The sons of Japheth: Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Meshech, and Tiras Gog is listed as a descendant of Reuben (one of the sons of patriarch Jacob) in the 5th century BCE 1 Chronicles 5: 3, 4. The one you quoted has nothing about Eisa (عليه السلام) but we know that Yajuj wa Majuj would be killed after he makes the Dua. Ibn Kathir also notes that the hadith in his opinion contradicts the clear ayah of the Quran that states that Gog and Magog were not able to dig through the barrier, though you talked about this in your post. In other words, they could be in an open area while the area around the barrier could be blocked from sunlight due to the barrier and the mountains. Memahami Khilaf Dan Hakikat Sebenar Ya'juj dan Ma'juj. The wall/barrier is supposed to fall down when Allah wills. حَدَّثَنَا أَزْهَرُ بْنُ مَرْوَانَ، حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الأَعْلَى، حَدَّثَنَا سَعِيدٌ، عَنْ قَتَادَةَ، قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو رَافِعٍ، عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ، قَالَ قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ ـ صلى الله عليه وسلم ـ ‏”‏ إِنَّ يَأْجُوجَ وَمَأْجُوجَ يَحْفِرُونَ كُلَّ يَوْمٍ حَتَّى إِذَا كَادُوا يَرَوْنَ شُعَاعَ الشَّمْسِ قَالَ الَّذِي عَلَيْهِمُ ارْجِعُوا فَسَنَحْفِرُهُ غَدًا ‏.‏ فَيُعِيدُهُ اللَّهُ أَشَدَّ مَا كَانَ حَتَّى إِذَا بَلَغَتْ مُدَّتُهُمْ وَأَرَادَ اللَّهُ أَنْ يَبْعَثَهُمْ عَلَى النَّاسِ حَفَرُوا حَتَّى إِذَا كَادُوا يَرَوْنَ شُعَاعَ الشَّمْسِ قَالَ الَّذِي عَلَيْهِمُ ارْجِعُوا فَسَتَحْفِرُونَهُ غَدًا إِنْ شَاءَ اللَّهُ تَعَالَى وَاسْتَثْنَوْا فَيَعُودُونَ إِلَيْهِ وَهُوَ كَهَيْئَتِهِ حِينَ تَرَكُوهُ فَيَحْفِرُونَهُ وَيَخْرُجُونَ عَلَى النَّاسِ فَيَنْشِفُونَ الْمَاءَ وَيَتَحَصَّنُ النَّاسُ مِنْهُمْ فِي حُصُونِهِمْ فَيَرْمُونَ بِسِهَامِهِمْ إِلَى السَّمَاءِ فَتَرْجِعُ عَلَيْهَا الدَّمُ الَّذِي اجْفَظَّ فَيَقُولُونَ قَهَرْنَا أَهْلَ الأَرْضِ وَعَلَوْنَا أَهْلَ السَّمَاءِ فَيَبْعَثُ اللَّهُ نَغَفًا فِي أَقْفَائِهِمْ فَيَقْتُلُهُمْ بِهَا ‏”‏. Who is this?’ He said: ‘This is a man from the latter nations of your offspring called Da’ood.’[6]. Antara dua dinding, ada batu setinggi 1.800 meter atau 5.900 Ibn Kathir says in his tafsir of 18:97-98 that this hadith is mu`allal (defective) and he thinks it is the statement of Ka’b ibn Ahbar, as the same narration was narrated from him without attribution to the Prophet (ﷺ). 96. Romans and those who will come after you will fight them (crusades) until the best of Islam’s adherents… will go out to them (end time wars) …” During the crusades, the biggest group of Romans included the British, French, and Germans. Yajuj and Majuj were released and when they crossed the barrier, (something which Allah knows and we don’t know), they initially attacked and fought the Muslims; later Yajuj and Majuj would come forth with a massive attack after the return of Eisa (عليه السلام). Likewise, the Day of Judgment being near the advent of Yajuj and Majuj would not mean that it would take place right afterwards any moment and a significantly lengthy gap from a human perspective is a strong possibility. Thereupon he said: If you say that, it is a fact for they have four qualities. 88. Who are these people?’ He said: ‘These are your offspring.’ He saw one of them whose ray between his eyes amazed him, so he said: ‘O Lord! having small eyes, short noses and flat and wide faces something similar to shields. This is the hadith that is mentioned in Sunan al-Tirmidhi and Ibn Majah, regarding Ya’juj and Ma’juj digging the barrier every day until one day they are let loose. | Qur'anic misconceptions addressed, Islamic identity of Rûm (Rome) and Romans | Qur'anic misconceptions addressed, Is there any prophecy of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad? (2) Ce sont les noms de deux peuples ennemis. 96 - Apportez-moi des blocs de fer›. 101. dont les yeux étaient couverts d’un voile qui les empêchait de penser à Moi, et ils ne pouvaient rien entendre non plus. This Hadith goes hand in hand with what we have learned so far from the Qur’an about the sign of Day of Judgment and the Judgment Day following Yajuj and Majuj. [14], لاَ تَقُومُ السَّاعَةُ حَتَّى تُقَاتِلُوا قَوْمًا نِعَالُهُمُ الشَّعْرُ وَلاَ تَقُومُ السَّاعَةُ حَتَّى تُقَاتِلُوا قَوْمًا صِغَارَ الأَعْيُنِ ذُلْفَ الآنُفِ كَأَنَّ وُجُوهَهُمُ الْمَجَانُّ الْمُطْرَقَةُ, The last hour will not come before you fight with a people whose sandals are of hair, and the Last hour will not come before you fight with a people who have small eyes, short noses, and whose faces look as if they were shields covered with skin.[15]. Scholars have not categorically denied this view to be unacceptable; what the scholars have denied and rejected is the view that Yajuj and Majuj have been released and that their full and final attack has also taken place. Dis: «Je vais vous en citer quelque fait mémorable». Actually this entire piece is something I would like to consider apparent reading of the text without delving into interpretation. إسناد على شرط مسلم . 84. What we have learned so far does not require mental gymnastics and, as a minimum, it proves that the text has room for this view. However your post is very good in proving that this opinion is not conclusive. أوحى الله تعالى إلى عيسى صلى الله عليه وسلم إني قد أخرجت عباداً لي لا يدان لأحد بقتالهم، فحرز عبادي إلى الطور، ويبعث الله يأجوج ومأجوج وهم من كل حدب ينسلون, Allah will reveal to `Isa these words: `I have brought forth[9] from amongst my slaves (from entire mankind) such people against whom none will be able to fight (Yajuj and Majuj), so take these people (the believers) safely to the mountain.’ And then Allah will send Ya’juj and Ma’juj (Gog and Magog people) and they will sworn down from every slope. However since all the buildings we have today in the region (namely Mada’in Salih) are from the Nabatean period. ‘Eisa (peace be upon him) and the believers with him will take refuge in Mount Toor until Allaah destroys Ya’juj and Ma’juj by sending worms that will eat their necks. You said: “Quran and the hadith in the Sahihayn can be interpreted more openly”. 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